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@zkat It means they have failed to engage anyone outside of their core circle in 20+ years, failed to grow the movement outside of those demographics, failed to learn from their past mistakes, failed to achieve any of their goals.

To this day, as someone who doesn't want to spend hours of installation and babysitting, I cannot install a fully free operating system and userspace. Debian just had a GR over needing to include non-free firmware in the install media.

To this day, I can't find a job where all I do is work on free software that meets not just the letter but the spirit of the ideal.

To this day, it is higher impact for humanity for me to work on proprietary software at a megacorp in an effort to reduce climate impact than it is for me to work on any free software project.

That's a trash movement right there.