@dredmorbiusJust a general note: if your approach to conversation is that you're going to club me over the head with whatever pre-formed, reinforced-concrete belief systems or ideology you've already ingested, formed, cured, and coated in diamond-titanium cladding, we'll be having Very Short Discussions. And likely similarly for relationships.
The more so if you're going to do so from ignorance or Telling Me What I Think or Who I Am. Also, come to think of it, in ignorance.
If you do wish to explore questions, even from widely differing sides, with an aim at uncovering some greater truth, or even simply understanding one anothers' viewpoints more clearly, there is likely to be far greater interest in discussion.
I do not claim to be right on All Things. More importantly, I put an extreme importance on Not Insisting on Being Wrong. That's combined with an (I hope) somewhat well-tuned Bullshit Filter [old.reddit.com], and, as I enter my senility, a somewhat diminished patience with same.
Put more simply, it's the difference between rhetoric and dialectic.
It's the old story of the Sophists versus the Philosophers [web.archive.org], more at .
(I'm also a sucker for good stories, bad puns, cute cats (there is no other type), relevant news, arcane philosophy, and miscellaneous other amusements, etc.)
Edits: Speling.
Götterdämmerung @Gotterdammerung@glitch.social@dredmorbius i think philosophy is actually far more rhetorical than logical. Will make a separate toot arguing this position.
@dredmorbius@toot.cat@Gotterdammerung Would that be philosophy-as-practiced or philosophy-as-defined?
I'd argue that there's a great deal of what's cast as philosophy which is in fact rhetorical. Probably especially in the Continental school, in the past couple of centuries.
There's a vast amount that's really theology, starting during Roman times, and extending through ... at least the Renaissance, probably to at least the Enlightenment. (Speaking of Western tradition here.)
But there's also much, including quite a bit of the theological material, which concerns reason, logic, perception, and establishment of truth. Much of that's now been subsumed into science as opposed to philosophy, though not entirely all.
Götterdämmerung @Gotterdammerung@glitch.social@dredmorbius both my good sir. Philosophy as practiced and as defined.
This redefinition of philosophy as a rhetorical practice led me to the following conclusion:
In Philosophy Proper, truth is absolute.
The history of Philosophical truth is contingent.
Therefore, there is no such thing as Philosophy Proper. Only philosophers!