it's been like 1300 years can we Please get over feudalism
ohh! people distrust each other and abuse their ill-gotten power! but wait, some people might use their ill-gotten power for good? haha, what a twist! they didn't!
give me the epic stories of life in north america two thousand years ago, like, there is no shortage of possible stories about not-feudalism but some people just can't get enough of Landlord Adventures
@garbados we'd have to get better as people and it's taking a long time
@amphetamine i swear we will kill the fleshless beast that made us this way
@garbados i think it's just us. we just need to heal us, from all of the distortions and patterns that lead us back through the cycle. if we can protect each other for long enough to do that, we'll break loose eventually.
@garbados read earthsea, it's whatcha want
@Dayglochainsaw o i have. le guin kicks ass. i'm reading parable of the sower right now. there's a lot of great books to read. i guess i'm mainly upset about the heterogeneity of televised media. see also: the whitewashing of the earthsea show
@Dayglochainsaw have you read The Dispossessed?
@garbados yeah it whips
@garbados the rennaissance and early modern eras of Europe were much more historically interesting anyway. Battles between the noble and bourgeoisie classes over state power? Expansion of international trade networks? That's interesting stuff.
BUT I think one of the big reasons why fantasy is so closely tied with European feudalism is that the whole genre is more or less based on imitating old European epic poems, which of course are steeped in the feudal power structures of their time.
I would add Kim Stanley Robinson to Le Guin as an author who wrote about something else, with the Red Mars series. I think Le Guin is by far the better writer though.
@garbados "what a twist! They didn't!" Is peak late capitalism fucking hilarious
@garbados we're still living in feudalism, just hecked up
@garbados how about feudalism where nobody wants to be the Noble, because the magic brings the consequences of every decision you make back to you? But somebody's gotta represent the committee... And the committee itself may have to make a decision entrusted to it by a rather large group.
@WanderingBeekeeper i think, thankfully, that wouldn't be feudalism
@WanderingBeekeeper that's basically frodo's relationship with the ring for most of the book
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