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you wanna unionize

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@garbados They would just outsource more than they already do... It would proliferate java and terrible unreadable code. ;)

@seven are you saying we shouldn’t unionize or merely that it will be difficult?

@garbados I think it's a good idea, but coders specifically, are a particularly difficult one to do, by the very nature of the job, which doesn't have any boundaries in terms of where it can be done, or by who.

The power of unions is about being able to effectively stop production, for workers rights, I'm just not sure how you could effectively do that in the programming industry, if that makes sense?

@seven

> being able to effectively stop production

like literally anyone with the right creds can do? trip over the right wire. get the relevant people to refuse to log in. organize even ten minutes of downtime and mgmt will be begging to hear your demands.

i think the lore has got it backwards on this: that rather than tech itself making it harder to organize tech, we are uniquely positioned as a trade to organize effectively!

@garbados @seven actively causing system downtime sounds like something that’d get you in trouble with the us computer fraud & abuse act

@rabcyr @garbados To be fair, anything you do on a computer could get you in trouble with the CFAA, that thing is so general, we all probably violate it every day... But also, this.

@seven @rabcyr as it is said, the law is for the rich 🤷‍♀️ they’ll throw the book at you if they can, and they’ll settle out of court for a pittance if they can’t

@rabcyr @seven not to mention fired, blacklisted, etc... all the reasons we need a union 😉

when you’re a googler who didn’t sign up to make weapons, but there you are making weapons like so many bamboozled programmers, what do you do? embrace the blood, or fight back with commensurate force? the stakes are huge and “just quit” satisfies the power of the boss to oppress.

@seven @rabcyr that article is so tiresome 🤦‍♀️

it baselessly frames devs as not wanting to unionize, when our every attempt is viciously punished!

@garbados @rabcyr Couldn't agree more! But it's also probably at least entered the brain of some, who handle policy at corporations, so it gives them a, well a precedent to work with or at least justify themselves with...

@seven @rabcyr corpers will say and do anything to shut down unions. that’s why it’s so important!

@garbados @rabcyr Interestingly, I've thought that some kind of coder code of ethics would help, ya know like the doctors do no harm kind of thing, something that allows coders to look at a project, and say, this isn't something that meets with our standard of ethics.

But you are most certainly right, the last thing any tech company wants is their coders unified in solidarity across the industry... That would impact competition, which no corporation wants... It would likely also make said union the most powerful in the world... which... seems dangerous...

@seven @rabcyr

> the most powerful in the world

on the one hand, all power to the people ✊️

on the other, why would it be the most powerful in the world?

> that would impact competition, which no corporation wants

corporations generally abhor competition because it hurts margins. all profiteers aspire to monopoly 🧐

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