damn good take on the rms situation
I don't think english is this person's first language and I want to be clear that I'm not making fun of non-native english writers, but the demands and accusations in this email are just *bonkers*.
I saw that too
These people are really bonkers
But this fury is positive, I think
That means that these posts by mantainers are politically significant, I think
@dthompson this is all incredibly depressing, but as an aside your blog software looks pretty neat and this has reminded me that i want to give guix a look.
@dthompson yeah, i maintain one of those myself (of which, as far as i have been able to tell the last 18 years or so, i have always been the sole user) and have come to view the absence of comments as belonging strongly to the "feature" category.
@brennen the venn diagram of "all programmers" and "programmers who have their own static site generator" is a circle.
also I absolutely agree that lack of comments is a feature. no spam to control, no trolls to block. it's wonderful.
@dthompson why is it not justifiable to ask for creditable proof for the claims being made? Throughout this whole shit show, people have been using examples that have nothing to do with the claim being made, are a non-issue or are examples of the politically correct gone a muck.
@NullWhereMan no it's not justifiable because it's not a question being asked in good faith.
@dthompson Whenever I read something from Andy Wingo, I am either edified or inspired (or both).
@cstanhope same. smart guy in both a technical and social sense, a rarity in the software world, even more so in the free software world!
@dthompson Not going to lie, the blog post was blah, just a simple "to arms!" cry. I'm not against or for RMS, but I think this has been blown way out of proportion. So much coverage on one side to remove leaders and rebuild in some else vision. And this is not limited to GNU, software, tech.
The sign-off comment at the bottom about no gods, no leaders, etc, is also the nail in the coffin that makes me ignore a post.
@jordan31 this isn't about an isolated event. it's about *years* of bad behavior that has gone unchecked and many attempts to address issues privately have failed.
@dthompson A good essay with an even vantage on the dustup, if a melancholic conclusion.
I missed the glibc abortion “joke” and RMS clamping down on removing it. That’s choice. What a pettifogging clown. The discussion on LWN is exemplary of the general tenor in FOSSbro fora, as well. The whole GNU club is shuffling disfunction and personality worship masquerading as a movement. We desperately need better and wiser.
@Shufei yeah the discourse right now is pathetic and sad. I think, long term, their days are numbered, but would sure be nice if if this process could go a little faster!
@dthompson “To me it has been clear for many years that to a first approximation, the answer is that RMS does nothing for GNU. RMS does not write software. He does not design software, or systems. ...
“By itself, this seems to me to be a failure of leadership for a software project like GNU. But unfortunately when RMS's role in GNU isn't neglect, more often as not it's negative.”
Rather! That is a harsh rating, but apt.
@dthompson I'm glad it it starts with the "the GNU project does not exist" meta-point. I've been confused about that, so it helped to see it explicitly included in the discussion here.
discourse, subtype gnu/rms/etc.
@wyatwerp i'm not in the immediate social inner circle of gnu or the fsf, but the balance of the evidence i've seen suggests that rms has behaved poorly for a long time, that an incident like this was going to happen eventually, and that it's time for new leadership.
i also think this has surfaced a lot of unhealthy personality cult stuff in the community that we need to get past.
discourse, subtype gnu/rms/etc.
i also think that rms has been right about a great deal. his ideas have shaped my thinking as much as any i've encountered. i care deeply about the free/libre ethos and i've built my life and career in many ways around that motivation.
i'll leave it at that; i really don't feel like going in circles with you about any of it.
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