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hot take: the fact that apps are adopting responsive design and adding mobile UI features when running in a small window is good

even if you're never gonna use GNOME on a mobile device

it's nice when i can use the same app in a small window or maximized without having to manually change settings

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@rnd Tiling window managers also were something we had in mind, not with a specific goal but we knew it would be better for these too.

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@rnd Also I had a personal war against user-resizable panels, I consider them to give their users shitwork instead of doing what they expect automatically, using them is just giving up on developing a helpful UI.

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@KekunPlazas @rnd "What we expect" and "what you expect us to expect" isn't always the same thing!

(...which is why we use KDE personally.)

Personally I think a helpful UI is one that lets you do what you want, instead of boxing you in to the arbitrary choices the designers made for you.

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@KekunPlazas @rnd Like, you can have good defaults without sacrificing user control.

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@rnd It is nice! I just wish it didn't usually come at the cost of theme support.
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@rnd counter-poing: some interfaces are borderline unusable on mobile and making them fit doesn't help either. See: ms excel
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@hj @rnd Well of course the goal isn't to try to fit everything, we never tried to fit GNOME Builder or Evolution, e.g., it's still OK for apps to require larger screens when relevant.

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@rnd i sometimes wish i can use gnome apps on my android phone

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@rnd@toot.cat there was that one distro that was like boycott libhandy, no mobile stuff in our UIs, we'll hold back updates for apps using it!

they missed the fact Settings had it as a subproject instead of an explicit dep and just didn't notice it and shipped it. But it's terrible anyway!

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@rnd KDE's Kirigami apps do this too!

Though both Gnome and Kirigami apps tend to be simple, with not many features. It'd be much harder to do that for a full desktop application, much more dense UI design.

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@IceWolf @rnd you can try out GNOME Builder. it uses libadwaita widgets too and is to a degree supporting also smaller window sizes (though probably not quite small enough ones for mobile screens...)

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@rnd 100% agree with this. Having apps that work on both mobile and desktop is very good

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@rnd yee, its really nice to be able to have some apps like that, makes me wish that more apps were responsive *looking at you discord and spotify*

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@rnd MS did this with most of their core apps back when Windows 10 Mobile was a thing and it's probably the most underrated feature they have

Definitely glad to see it on the Linux side too!

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