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It's probably naive, but I genuinely wonder where we'd be today re: people "self-hosting" servers if IPv6 had already seen wider adoption, more upload bandwidth were generally available, and "decentralization" had focused more on "sync eventually" instead of, like, XMPP-style.

@zkat it'd be better and easier, but still means "run your own server", which is the domain of a pretty small group of people.

(Yeah, that kind of stuff makes it a lot easier, but it's still on par with "doing your own car maintenance")

@astraluma @zkat i like to think there's an opportunity for a "progressive web service" that starts living in your phone and can be easily migrated to a generic (or specific) compute service with a few clicks and some currency.

But the devil's in the details I'm sure.

@astraluma @zkat ideally the end user would never see the word "server" unless they like digging in computer bits. ;)

@brion @zkat the problem is ~all apps benefit from connecting with multiple devices.

I was working with a partner on an e2ee, open participation application sync platform (like, if signal had an API and application instances could use it as a channel to synchronize), but unfortunately you need many spoons to invent that kind of cryptography.

@astraluma @zkat that last part used to be a lot easier when cars weren't made out of computers, none of which allow access

@zkat do you know about Safe Network? Sounds like it 🤔

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IPv6: ehh, maybe, it was an issue but not the primary one
upload speeds: no (most Not Computer People don't realize there are multiple numbers involved in network speeds at all)
eventual sync: ehh. probably need both, but syncthing is painfully underused as is and it's, like, the minimum effort self hosting thing.

IMO it was always primarily a marketing problem. If people had decided these were the things they wanted, they would've pushed for the technologies that made them easier.

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