alright, sorry. I've been kinda negative about some stuff recently, and I want to take a step back:

What technological/social projects are you very excited about that achieve decentralization/distance from the current exploitative systems *without* blockchain?

For me, here's a partial list:

* The growing efforts (and support) for unionization, and workers' right to strike for better conditions
* All the mutual aid I keep seeing by folks like and the folks in MPLS

anyway, post things that inspire you so I can RT them and get some serotonin. I know we could all use some right about now.

@zkat I'm currently building a secure, invite-based XMPP messaging service for radical people.

I already greatly extended the E2EE enforcement module for Prosody to make it actually usable and am currently building a custom website for it that handles the invites, recommends clients based on OS and guides people through installing them, explains a whole bunch of things and offers a web-client as fallback:

@zkat Spritely ( @spritelyproject ), an amazing, inspiring project by Christine Lemmer-Webber of ActivityPub editor fame ( @cwebber ).

I don't know how to contribute in any way (given the limited resources I have), but I'm eagerly awaiting whatever comes from it.

@zatnosk @spritelyproject I appreciate your eagerness. We're just now getting to the point where pulling in more people is starting to happen... it needed to be in research mode for a while.

I suspect @zkat has seen me post about spritely but I don't know how familiar they are. I'd be happy to talk more about it!

@zkat @zatnosk @spritelyproject Oh! Well, this next month is intense, but we definitely should talk. Lots of info on the main site though, if you're interested in digging into the technical details. :)

@zkat i just discovered libresilient project created by one of my follows, and it made me feel optimistic. There are people out there building the better future.

@goran @zkat I feel like this could be attacked with custom JS to inject state into a remote cache to be served back out to other clients, unless every client caches all data separately. Neat ideas though!

@brion @goran I haven't looked at all but I would hope there is sort of subresource integrity checking going on. When getting JS from IPFS and other content-addressed system this would be automatically mitigated, I think.

@teleclimber @goran i might have missed a manifest of some kind in my read of the readme :)

@teleclimber @goran anyway if properly tied in with subresource integrity (where it's already available in HTML) or other things were a manifest can provide a key, should be reasonably safe.

i'm less sure i understand the model for uploading data into caches; the readme implies that any client can cache stuff in ipfs but the architecture doc implies credentials would be required to upload anything

@brion @teleclimber @goran Yeah, the concept sounds neat but the method that data gets stored into cache needs fleshing out. Having the origin itself (or a trusted crawler) store data into cache would be most straightforwards.

The proposed solution using a service worker doesn't help new people arriving in a traffic spike get content - but it does help users who've been to the site before access data that's not in their local cache, which is still a benefit.

@kepstin @teleclimber @goran for a traffic flood, you at least need the server up enough to serve out the .html and the service worker .js. From there, potentially everything could be pulled from a fallback service as long as it's been pre-populated.

Won't solve cases where static server or dns get knocked off, but should cover a lot of lite-server cases. :)

@zkat 👋 I'm building Dropserver, an application server/platform for hosting personal web services.

No blockchains or anything web3, just an attempt to give users control over the code that they interact with on the internet, without throwing the whole client-server model out the window.

(It's still very new and far from generally usable)

@teleclimber @zkat what's good about the client-server model?
what's bad about blockchain?

@zkat I'm really excited about #SafeNetwork:

It's a fully decentralized, distributed and autonomous network. They are still in early alpha, though.
The company behind it is called MaidSafe, based in Scottland.

The people behind it are humble, long-term thinkers, which I really like.❤️ I could be mistaken, but I think they are working on this since 2008 (no kidding)!

They are also in the fedi 🙂

@janriemer @safenetwork disappointed to see something crypto/blockchain related even though I specifically asked for things that were not

@zkat asked for things that are not blockchain related and SafeNetwork has nothing to do with blockchain.
You haven't mentioned "not crypto-related".🤔
Sorry, if I've misunderstood your toot.😐

@zkat no project in particular, but I get really excited at all the people learning and reviving traditional crafts. There's a lot of "masterless apprentices" for woodworking, metalworking, textiles, whatever, just learning from YouTube and publishers which tend to their particular craft. I love that shit.

(Personally I'm into hand-tool woodworking; the kind of stuff Lost Art Press publishes.)

@zkat Yggdrasil is pretty cool. NDN would be too, but some companies are trying to bolt a blockchain onto it. It's still a good idea to check it out, since its routing algorithms don't really need blockchains.

Yatima also seems very neato.

@zkat Since lots of projects use the name "Yggdrasil", this is the one I mean:


Check this one out even if you don't care about the theory stuff, because the rationale in the readme for why it exists is the kind of thing all projects should have.

@zkat Oh, also this paper by @cblgh
(which I really should read in full sometime, but what I've read is really cool and promising)

@csepp @zkat thanks csepp ^_^
kat: there's a much shorter version of it (+ code links) available at :~

@zkat Far from perfect, but also has the backing of the founder of the web, which gives it some chance of being widely adopted, which is exciting by itself:

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