Twitter / Bluesky 

@bob @nicol

I don't know either. I mean the things these specifications try to solve I'm behind. But I'd rather wait until something rolls out of all these efforts that looks like it sound, broadly accepted, and finds widespread adoption.

Maybe @rhiaro could shine more light on the direction all this is going?


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@humanetech @nicol first I heard about it, got any links?

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Ah, mine was not a ref to the DID Consortium but your take on the status / road to standardization / broad adoption of DID and VC et al specs and the role / position of blockchain wrt those.

re: Twitter / Bluesky 

@rhiaro @humanetech @nicol

The announcement came together with the news that The Elon wants money for "state actors" or organisations.

From 1 article
“Bluesky joined a field already occupied by several decentralized networking protocols, including ActivityPub, which powers the Mastodon platform. But its researchers have stressed that they’re trying to learn from and build on these efforts, not simply replicate them. ADX is a long-awaited step forward — and a chance to see if that promise holds up.”

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@sl007 @rhiaro @humanetech @nicol “we can sign content by the user's key” – I don’t like the sound of that at all. So they’re going to hold the private keys. (Of course.) I mean, this is likely going to be the worst possible right-libertarian and corporate implementation of such a thing given who’s behind it. Not sure why we even still give billionaires the benefit of the doubt. No billionaire or trillion-dollar corporation is your friend.

@aral @sl007 @rhiaro @humanetech @nicol It's worth looking at who the initial team is. They made a pretty straight forward announcement that they are now 100% independent of twitter as well and set up a PBC to show it.

@aral @liaizon @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol

Missed that as well, apart from seeing news about recent hires. Paul Frazee, protocol engineer and previously of Beaker Browser and DAT project / Hypercore protocol among them.

@aral @sl007 @rhiaro @humanetech @nicol yeah that seems a bit shady they say here they just were funded 13 million but don't say from whomst

@liaizon @aral @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol


> Twitter's funding of Bluesky is not subject to any conditions except one: that Bluesky is to research and develop technologies that enable open and decentralized public conversation.

Which says nothing. May just be the angel funding of Jack, with what he had in his wallet at the time of the meeting. Intending to pounce later, once the big VC is on board.

@humanetech @liaizon @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol Seriously, we’re smarter than this now, right? We don’t just fall for the next thing that’s aimed at staving off regulation, do we?

Oh, look, this billionaire is acting against his own interests (statistically, he’s a he) ← never a thing, ever.


Wow wow, you keep tagging me, ha ha. I am critical in all toots about this whole shebang. Think the others there just as much :D

@aral and even if they were 100% independent I wouldn't want them to adopt AP, just for the attention that would raise in the corporate world.

I said a bunch of times: "Fediverse is managing to get interesting.. for exploitation. Yet not getting stronger to withstand a corporate onslaught".

@humanetech Email was federated. Then gmail happened.

I’m clearly not sick of saying it yet (for some reason) but we need systems that cannot be captured and enclosed. Where economies of scale don’t make sense. And those are systems where we don’t have servers of 1-1,000,000 but servers of 1 (which are just always-on relay nodes in an otherwise peer to peer network). That’s the small web vision. And we desperately need it to exist. (Well, I do, at least.)

@aral @humanetech

For me, the one thing that really makes gmail practically indispensable is that it handles the spam filtering very well.

Keeping spam filters up to date and effective on a personal email client or server was an arms race, and a real chore.

I hardly get any truly legit email now. It's mostly just "the interesting junk mail" versus the "the annoying junk mail", but I feel like I need a 1st-contact email, still.

@aral @humanetech "I never got that email you sent. You didn't send it from gmail, did you? That doesn't even go to my spam folder, it just gets blocked by the firewall. Yeah, if you could use literally anything else, that'd be great."

@aral @humanetech True - but regarding Email itself - spam also happened and the consequence of that is that it's really hard to self-host an e-mail server today because IP addresses are blocked for anti-spam reason on the ISP level. That's why I believe peer-to-peer has a better future for home-servers.

@aral @humanetech

A few days ago I was asking for something very related: as we have personal or family domains in email, I'd like to have the same domain identity for the fediverse.
So what is a simple way to do that? Do we need a personal Mastodon (or any fedi service) small server based on our own domain?

If that is the case, which ones are light enough for a handful of users in a shared server?
This may be very useful to advance your vision... (along with groups in Mastodon).

@humanetech (and view replies like a group conversation. It’s not that I’m tagging you. I’m just not untagging you.) :)

@humanetech @liaizon @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol I’ll tell you what they’re going to do: They’re going to integrate some sort of cryptocurrency into it. And likely tie your actual identity to it. Basically, I don’t intend to wait and find out and neither should you. Keep working on alternatives. Don’t let this make you complacent.

@aral @liaizon @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol

Think none of us mentioned needed reminding of that, ha ha 😂

But I boosted to spread the word ;p

@aral @humanetech @liaizon @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol

I believe they received startup funding from Twitter. I chatted with Golda Velez and she wanted to stress they were separate.

But yes, no reason for fediverse devs to stop what they're doing. Pull whatever seems valuable and discard the rest seems reasonable.

@derek @humanetech @liaizon @sl007 @rhiaro @nicol Indeed. We love this in the tech world. Who pays you? Elon? Ah, so you work for Elon? No, no, we’re 100% independent.

Ah… it’s actually quite sweet when you think about it :)

@liaizon @aral @rhiaro @humanetech @nicol

If they are “independent”, they would probably say at least where the millions come from.
On the other hand I had shared the criticisms against Musk of the team like the rabble thread on socialhub or Graeber pieces from twitter or even Golda Velez

But I can't trust without transparency.
I only believe, what I see.

If they are “independent”, fine.
We are expecting their questions on socialhub and we are expecting them at the meeting next Tuesday.
Usually we speak about proposals. Together.

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AFAICS that bit re: key ownership isn't going to be true. They're leveraging a lot of local device work (keeping keys and content on local devices) to handle this device authentication, a bit like Secure Scuttlebutt.

If anything, it'd be a looser implementation of how key signing of messages work in ActivityPub.

@sl007 @rhiaro @humanetech @nicol

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@rhiaro @humanetech @nicol

PS: Adi Robertson, the verge-writer also said that he “want to do a larger reachout, especially after people have had time to actually read the release.”
Told Robertson about monthly meeting on TUE.

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