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Programmer friends: Many of us have deeply-ingrained habits of making fun of whichever languages, tools, OSes, etc we don't personally use. Please don't. I highly recommend reading Aurynn Shaw's essay on "Contempt Culture", which I have to revisit myself periodically: blog.aurynn.com/2015/12/16-con

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@jamey This is a very good essay.

Also, a fellow New Zealander! Yay!

We Kiwis/Australians (even the white ones) have a whole *backpack* of baggage about being second-class citizens because we're neither American nor British and have completely different seasons and yet have to keep trying to be American to invisibly blend into the English-speaking Internet.

You'd think that experience would make us more tolerant but it doesn't, always.

@natecull @jamey aw that sucks

i reckon the shoe's on the other foot now tho

@amphetamine @jamey

We're watching what's happening in the USA/UK with horror, yes. Most especially because it often gets exported here. Also we sort of beta-tested the big rightward swing of 'left' parties back in 1984. :(

And our housing unaffordability crisis is probably worse than Vancouver or London, compared to median wage.

There's a global democratic meltdown and we're not nearly as protected from it as we think.

@natecull @jamey listen, if you have to cut the submarine cable, solar up, overturn the government and reinstate māori sovereignty, i'll only wish you well

@amphetamine @jamey

yeah, it's either that or we become Commander-for-Life Thiel's Seastead One

@amphetamine @jamey

I would sure be in favour of making 5 November Parihaka Day instead of Guy Fawkes because seriously, you have a historic anti-government protest on a day like that, it's just begging to be commemorated

nzhistory.govt.nz/keyword/pari

@natecull @amphetamine @jamey I love your land, but come come. Everyone who reads elite journals knows the nail biting global plutocracy and much of their sycophant classes have long ago bought Aotearoa to be their private little Galt’s Gulch. Count the number of secluded estates in your backyard, then we can chat about Democratic feet.

@Shufei @natecull @amphetamine This conversation seems to have taken a turn somewhere... (Don't let me stop you, but please untag me)

@Shufei @amphetamine @jamey

Yep.

There'll probably be a private war between Peter Thiel's tech vampires, James Cameron's cat people submarine fleet, and Kim Dotcom's laptop.

@natecull So of course we take it out on each other :)

@tk Marmite vs Vegemite: They Must Fight Eternally

@natecull That and pavlova

(though between you and me I think you have that one)

@jamey
so true
even activescript in the right manner can accomplish some tasks

i think programmers benefit as programmers
by reading poetry

coding is using language processing skills
which improve with exposure to
poetry of many types

n'est-ce pas?
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🖊️

@jamey
PHP is an interesting language. A lot of people hate it because of the inertia of hating it. It kinda sucked when it was created. It wasn't really well thought out. If you use it today, it shows. But the thing is, most of that cruft is just /aesthetic/ of cruft. PHP is ugly, but it's really not any more or less powerful than other scripting languages. It has first-class functions, anonymous functions, object-orientation features, and even more recently it's added type hinting. Also, a lot of PHP code and libraries are old and showing their age as well, but if you take a look at some of the more recent frameworks, they can be actually quite nice.

@jorty I wouldn't say I disagree with you on anything you said here, but I feel like it's kiiind of missing the point?

Contempt culture finds excuses to hate a thing. Doesn't matter whether the language ignores 50 years of PL theory or has the latest dependent type system, somebody's going to hate it. People fail to acknowledge that there are reasons why people use particular tools, and those reasons might not be ones I care about, but that doesn't make them less important. Empathy matters.

@jamey
I was actually going to reply to my own post with something to that effect, but I was having trouble finding the right words to express it. We get so caught up in our tools that we forget the purpose of those tools: to create things for people, and with people

@jamey they were on the "Greater than Code" podcast. It was a good episode.

@slashzero I don't usually have the patience to listen to podcasts, but that seems like an interview I really want to hear! Thanks for telling me about it.

@besserwisser okay, I'm happy for you, but that doesn't get you off the hook for the main point 😅

@besserwisser I assume you're being facetious, but it's really hard to tell, so the joke doesn't really work, sorry

@jamey Which Java developer makes fun of other languages, honestly?

@jamey THANK YOU, I've never really understood this ethos of haughtiness in tech where no matter what the other person's opinion, personality or technical skill is, if they're not using your stuff, they're a pleb.

@jamey Wow, that's a very powerful--and lucid--view of the problem. Thank you.

@jamey That got me thinking. Some very good points. Thank you for the link!