turning websites into executables was a fucking mistake
the url bar? oh, you mean this shortcut to download dot com's one-click-get-fucked feature?
i need to do a post-mortem on dat-gateway because browser js bullshit killed that project
corporatists springing from every crack like so many blood-sucking mites
> This is a wretched state of affairs. Entering a URL does not represent consent to install software. Imagine an app store where even examining an app meant you had already installed it. Would you want to use that app store? I wouldn't. So how in heck have we arrived at that pattern for browsing the internet?
@garbados sorry, I am so tired of this absolutely correct point of view, I would have expected someone to actually do something about it in the last two years ;w;
@efi the trick is that our circumstances are shaped by dynamics, so it's not merely that someone must "do something" but that such a something must drastically alter our governing dynamics.
in other words, to make good software we must destroy capitalism.
@garbados you are so hot, I love you <3
@garbados is this ok to share?
@gekitsu yeah totes
@garbados cool, thx! :D
@garbados Some comments on your article
* It's not "permit it service workers" it's "permit it to show notifications" because that's the impressive level of marketing that's gone into making that request sound like something you'd want.
@garbados A lot of JS stuff could be done with XSLT.
@garbados even the makers of js admitted this! some web designer needs to get a kick in the balls
(If I've already said this, then plz forgive the horn-tooting.)
@woozle do you mean like
@woozle sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i am just full of rage at unrelated things
Okay, I don't know those frameworks well at all. I've heard the names but not actually coded in them. The only one I have any familiarity with as far as apps-I've-installed is Rails -- which all seem to use JS very heavily, not to mention Rails's own special back-end server and all kinds of special gewgaws, some of which also have their own server processes.
So maybe it works exactly the same as all or most of those...
...but if that's so, then where are the JSless web apps written in those frameworks?
@woozle js is client-side. the things i mentioned are all server frameworks. you can write a server app that just doesn't serve js assets. it's that easy
@garbados But apparently nobody does?
@woozle yeah because you pay the bills by selling ads and tracker data, which is siphoned in js. capitalism is the enemy here
@woozle lots of little apps don’t use js, like nobody is FORCING you to build with js in these frameworks, but you gotta eat and you gotta beg capitalists for that bread and they want you to write yet another limb of the panopticon
@garbados That's all too plausible...
And here I thought it was just because nobody had figured out how to do front-end navigation stuff without using JS. (...and, like, if it's all about serving ads... you don't really need JS for that, do you? Unless you actually *want* to do obnoxious popup / autoplay stuff, maybe...)
I guess I should take a closer look at those frameworks you mentioned.
@woozle flask and django are python frameworks, if python’s in your repertoire. the former is great for little projects (eg no auth), django for bigger projects (eg has users)
@lain i see you also live in a society
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