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@hirojin @garbados
Of course that's not really about capitalism, but providing value.
It'd be nice to keep the capitalism bad or good-discussion out of this conversation, though I'd be happy to have it somewhere else.

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Great point! You're right, with actual value often comes totally unneccessary stuff. *In theory* competition should lead to alternatives that are not user hostile, provided users care about it. It only kind of happened because most users just seem to not.

@solarkraft @garbados @hirojin products that are based on user happiness can't compete with surveillance capitalism, because success is measured in profit, and the companies who want to track and spy on us have way more money that the class of users have in total. And that's why competition under capitalism doesn't do shit for user happiness or effective solutions - because that's not what makes the largest profits.

@solarkraft @garbados @hirojin users simply can't pay enough to make good UX more important than tracking.

@zatnosk @solarkraft @garbados

because success is measured in profit,

yesno. the chance to succeed is measured in potential profit

and the companies that want to track us and spy on us have way more money than the class of users have in total

isn't it funny how valuation works? how can a company have (or be worth) more money than the sum of its users?

@solarkraft @garbados when the Internet was young, we created protocols instead of startups centered around a single app. where every app communicates over HTTP, now Google's protocol.

@solarkraft @hirojin competition under capitalism will only optimize for profit, and as competition reduces profit capitalists will undermine it in pursuit of monopolies. as schumpeter argued, capitalists are the downfall of capitalism. nowhere in this dynamic does the user get good software — or really, good anything — except as an accident. any semblance of quality you may observe is a transient circumstance in a race to the bottom.

@solarkraft @garbados @hirojin "Free services" have intentionally mislead users. What data, who it's shared with, and how it is used have been obfuscated behind lengthy terms or policies full of opaque legal language.

This is a market failure. There is no incentive for provider to address it and the consumer is unaware of the damage being done by the market. Capitalism expects government to address market failures. However, that doesn't happen.

@tigzikk @solarkraft @garbados

Capitalism expects government to address market failures. However, that doesn't happen.

surely not this latest stain of capitalism which sees, and the markets it creates and operates in as infallible

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