sure. run javascript. i don't care. just fucking have at my cpu. i wasn't using it. whatever 🤷‍♀️

can't wait to run 11gb wasm apps just by entering a url, fuck

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brb travelling to the alternate socialist present where the gopher protocol won

feels about the browser as the one true os 

i think it is cool and weird that the browser seems to have won the title of the one true OS that every consumer runs. what doesn't run on the browser? >1GB games, and... terminal stuff? though mature terminal stuff generally has a web interface for administrative interactions.

what's weird to me about all this is that the access paradigm for web software is the 1-click install that the URL represents, and the transience of that install. in effect every time i visit mastodon, i download and install a piece of software. https gives me some assurances about who this software comes from, but i don't really have a choice about whether to install it. if i disable js, most sites just fail. there's no access option for me but to execute unaudited software over and over again. this is ridiculous.

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this 1-click transient install paradigm belies presumptions about network availability. if i lose network access, but i keep my TODOs on some or another website, i lose access to my TODOs. why do my TODOs require network access? they don't! but this paradigm benefits app developers by ensuring clients are always using the latest build of your software, and by hiding all the complexity that distributed computing creates.

for example, how many of these fallacies does browser software assume in practice? answer: all of them

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacie

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@garbados i thought the alternate socialist present is the one where fidonet became the most commonly used way of digital communication

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@garbados at least it's somewhat sandboxed, no access to the local system really, but it's not a great prospect if the ram is not shielded completely...

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@garbados when you say browser software, do you mean the browser (os) itself, or the applications running therein?

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@hirojin apps running therein e.g. websites

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@garbados one thing I find interesting about the fallacies: they came from *Sun*.

who was trying so, so desperately hard to create the modern, bloated as fuck web, before the tech was ready for it

I mean, Sun and Oracle's Java NC vision was literally the state of today's web - downloading Java applets for everything on demand and executing them locally, to push the server's processing workload cost off to the client - just implemented in the JVM instead of the browser

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@garbados ...I just realized why Sun's vision still suffered from those problems that they themselves pointed out

because they weren't comparing to a local computer running local applications using standardized protocols to intermittently communicate with a server in the client-server model

they were comparing to X terminals that merely displayed the application running on the server

and there, *any* latency will make it utterly unusable. *any* low bandwidth connection makes it utterly unusable, immediately.

the Java NC/web approach "just" takes forever to load on a low bandwidth connection, once it's loaded it's hypothetically fine. we all know that in practice it isn't, but it's still better than literally using X11/Citrix/VNC/RDP to connect to the application running on a remote server.

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@garbados The browser is probably the most complicated piece of software on the planet.

To the extent that paid teams are no longer building a competing implementation (Edge). There is a very real risk that Google will become the "keeper of knowledge" for what a browser is and is not allowed to.

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@garbados This leads to my most utterly accursed software opinion that I sincerely hold:

Software should not be created in an attempt to please hundreds of millions of people simultaneously.

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@cr1901 if edge were the work of some or another socialized foundation i think i would be less upset with this way of things, as the centralization would represent a kind of practical convergence rather than a digital monopoly. but alas, capitalism 🤷‍♀️

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