unionizing tech 

if you unionize at work, they fire you.
if your whole team unionizes, they liquidate the company.
so how do you unionize?

tech multiplies the power of labor,
which multiplies the power of the scab.
while the boss fires unionists,
only the bossless can unionize.

organize contractors!

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standard contracts,
standard tools,
paid work,
with the hypothetical software guild 😛

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when googlers organized a walkout, they demanded all the things a union might — pay equity, worker representation on the board, etc — but precisely because they lacked a union to protect those protesting, the walkout’s organizers were simply harassed out of google. this is why we need unions! no amount of asking nicely will get the bosses to stop laundering blood through our hands!

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@garbados I reckon some kind of 'guild' might be the best answer — if we throw in some minimum standards and ethics rules then there's a benefit for consumers and therefore bosses. You get to put a little badge on your box and charge $5 more and maybe people will get more suspicious of corporate adware that doesn't have it.

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@andrewt

> suspicious of corporate adware that doesn’t have it

this implies the guild would produce corporate adware, but... why would they?

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@garbados @andrewt

I think it was intended as corp software is *all* adware, not that the guild would produce it? Guessing though.

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@sydneyfalk @andrewt gotcha. sorry for the misunderstanding

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@garbados the IWW are happy to help, you know

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@marnanel can you connect me with someone, or tell me where to get started on organizing a programmer union with the IWW? when companies liquidate teams for trying to unionize, what will the wobblies bring to bear to support us?

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@garbados @marnanel this would be so good. tech desperately needs to be organized.

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@garbados @marnanel can you CC me on this as well. I am really interested in developer unionization and would love to know how I can help.

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@garbados call me a cynic, but wouldn't the union organizers get harassed out?

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@a_breakin_glass it’s illegal in both cases but an individual usually lacks the resources to fight back, where part of a union’s purpose is to prep resources for such fights

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@garbados @a_breakin_glass It's also very difficult to prove. In the case of the walkout organizers, it was just that they suddenly found themselves with fewer responsibilities, transferred, denied transfers, etc. It's never "we think you're a troublemaker so we're going to limit your job prospects until you quit."

There won't be any internal memos about it either because Google is careful to have such conversations in non-discoverable form.

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@garbados i kinda understand what "standard contracts" mean in this case, but "standard tools"?

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@devurandom @garbados

ANSI C set the standard baby

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@garbados
Or just do not unionize and we can all work together without working for a big company.

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