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imagine attending the conf where RMS gives a keynote in which he goes the fuck off about the need for unions. imagine the cognitive dissonance that would well up in the room as hundreds of hacker-types struggle to disentangle their anti-labor mythos from the hero worship embedded in that mythos

@garbados @Canageek He is pro-union, but on the other hand he has expressed that programmers aren't entitled to anything, so it depends on where it falls in the balance.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did it, but I don't expect it either, it's not where he focuses his efforts.

@clacke @Canageek i know he didn’t do it because i shopped the image myself 😛

@garbados @Canageek No no, I got that, I know he didn't actually do it at this particular occassion, I'm just saying it wouldn't be weird and inconsistent for him to do it.

Should have said "wouldn't be astonished if he'd at some point do it".

@clacke @Canageek oh, gotcha. sorry about that. sleepy hours over here.

@garbados
“software is free!”
*wild cheering*
“labor is not!”
*confused stares of disbelief*

@garbados imagine if your union demanded your company releases your work under GPL. That would be wild.

@rune @garbados Or that you retain copyright to your contributions, as programmers generally do at Red Hat IIUC.

@clacke @garbados I think Red Hat projects are generally licensed under GPL with no contributor license agreement.

So Red Hat would have to go out of their way to avoid the employee being the copyrights holder.

Good on them if they don't do that.

@rune @garbados Most companies own the output of their employees' paid work time. It's the default in most jurisdictions, common and civil law alike. GPL or not, the rights lie with the employer. Some go out of their way to also hog the rights to semi-work-adjacent things employees do in their spare time.

Red Hat is unusual, especially for an American company, in that they explicitly (again, IIUC) make the employee the rightsholder of much of their output. You don't see e.g. Canonical doing that. Canonical had GPL projects where they expect external contributors to license full rights to them.

@clacke @garbados Yeah, Elastic does the same with their CLA.

I'm not employed by them and still had to sign a CLA to fix a typo on their documentation. It's beyond paranoid.

Especially when you realize that the only reason to own the copyright is if you want to relicense it later or push other restrictions on the content.

@garbados it's funny because his bad management is why the fsf unionized.

@garbados Okay.

During the speech he points out that the FSF response to ride sharing Apps ought to be worker owned .. by the drivers.

The software components could Free, (AGPL, likely), written by developers eventually hired at market rates. Without non-worker owners to worry about, it's possible this could be a good living for everyone involved.

Naturally it's designed with federation in mind, because cooperation will likely out-compete competition as a solution to capitalism.

@garbados is there a RMS 'white card' meme generator somewhere? :flan_think:

@pertho i got the template image from someone on masto but i can't remember their handle. i'll post it if i remember it. in the meantime, here's the template image:

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