finally reading e.warren's proposal to break up big tech and

> [...] requires large tech platforms to be designated as “Platform Utilities” and broken apart from any participant on that platform.

> Platform utilities would not be allowed to transfer or share data with third parties.

so, no ads? by law? great! deprive the bastards of their only real profit mechanism, why not

i think you're going to have a hard time getting tech companies to meaningfully compete when so many of them were never profitable

instagram? whatsapp?

as much as i want to see naive legislation kill surveillance capitalism dead by accident, it seems to miss the nuance of the industry: that monetizing social infrastructure is actually really hard, and the major ways businesses have been able to do so have been really slimy. so what do you do instead? nationalize facebook?

a friend pointed out that this proposal would not block the sale of targeted ads. facebook doesn't sell data, it just collects it. "The problem is 3rd parties selling [...] your data."


fwiw i'm glad this is being discussed. "break them up!" is a pleasantly aggressive first step toward a nuanced solution

@garbados it's also easily shoutable in the "one more song" cadence ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@garbados I would argue that social infrastructure should be run by social organizations, not by profit-seeking corporations. I would like to see libraries, universities, municipalities and the like provide email & other social collaboration software just like they do roads, public forums and other utilities and social spaces.


I agree but I would underline the fact that just because social networks should be maintained as community resources doesn't mean that they need be centrally controlled by the government.

The problem isn't just in monetizing human communities, it is in believing that human communities can be represented by one hierarchy, one moderation policy and one medium.

The fediverse model of little communities sprouting up is slow, but the only actual solution

@Alonealastalovedalongthe @basus i feel like the municipal route is compatible with a federated approach: just because your local library could run a mastodon instance (for example) wouldn't preclude others from running their own, nor would it impose a unilateral moderation policy

@Alonealastalovedalongthe @garbados I agree. I think email is already the mostly optimal model. You have multiple domains, with multiple users, and anyone can have one or multiple such accounts for whatever purposes. You can also layer on additional functionality at the end points, while keeping to core protocol simple.

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