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me: communism
them: WHAT DID YOU SAY
me: uh
me: post-scarcity
them: oh, sounds grand! tell me more

political semantics, communism 

political semantics, communism 

political semantics, communism 

political semantics, communism 

political semantics, communism 

political semantics, communism 

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political semantics, communism 

@garbados
me: anarchy
them: WHAT DID YOU SAY
me: uh
me: self-governance
them: oh, sounds grand! tell me more

@Artanux @garbados me: conquest of bread
them: what did you say!
me: uh
me: voluntary associationz
them: awesome!!

@dirtycommo @Artanux @garbados
me: anti capitalism
them: WHAT DID YOU SAY
me: uh
me: social ecology
them: oh, sounds grand! tell me more

@Artanux @garbados @uranther

It me, except I shout “anarchy” louder instead of saying self-governance, lol.

@garbados if your "communist" doesn't include any of the shitty ideology of the last century, I wouldn't mind. but giving it a better name and not using hammer and sickle and red five pointed stars is a definitive plus

@piggo

> doesn't include any of the shitty ideology

i try to critically analyze my thoughts and beliefs and the ideas that i encounter but it is certainly an ongoing process, as there is a lot to critically analyze! 😬

unless you mean "aren't an authoritarian" in which case, yeah, fuck authcoms.

@garbados er probably.
basically if the people themselves voluntarily established it it'd be probably fine, that never happened so far. without forced centralisation, suppression of freedoms and bad planned economy that lead to things like the famous toilet paper shortage

@piggo i assume you don’t mean “people have never voluntarily organized egalitarian material communities” as people have and people do, so i wonder: what you do mean?

@garbados when you look at how communists got into power in the countries where they actually did, it wasn't peaceful. see: soviet union. cambodia. kuba. all the southern american countries.

and even if it was conducted by The People, it always ended up with a shitty totalitarian regime, loss of civil rights, in places famine.
@garbados what im saying it could maybe work on the commune level, but not on a bigger scale

@piggo i hear this critique often and i don’t think it’s a showstopper at all. it does work on a commun{e,ity} level, as we see in lots of places that are alive and well despite the incredible uphill struggle they face under late capitalism. these material networks can and do expand horizontally through cooperation and mutual aid, illustrating a path to scale that doesn’t pass through authoritarianism.

@garbados yeah i'd endorse that. grassroots stuff like that is good

@piggo @garbados i would note that a lot of the south american countries were doing fine until the US came in and destabilized them, cf installing Pinochet

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