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pdxpol // fash in my town today 

whatever bureaucrat issued these dirtbags another fucking permit needs to think seriously about their life and their choices.

if you're in pdx, come out today to portland city hall around noon ✊

fash will be ARMED so maybe don't bring your kids 😬 👍

huffingtonpost.com/entry/portl

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

if you're not in pdx but want to follow the situation and don't mind birdsite, i highly recommend mike bivins' live reporting:

twitter.com/itsmikebivins

you can also follow the and hashtags either here or on birdsite. i'll try and use these tags if i post while i'm out.

stay safe y'all ✊

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pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados tl;dr Ted Wheeler cooperates with fascists.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados The city can not discriminate in terms of the message of demonstrators.

Seriously, if they do? They get taken to court. And they lose. And they pay court costs. And then the demonstrators get their permits anyway.

Of course, if your metapoint was really that nobody in PDX should work for the city, that's an arguable position - but the first amendment says that the right to hold a demonstration can be regulated, but not arbitrarily withheld.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan patriot prayer has a documented history of organized violence. granting them a permit actively endangers people, like it has every other time they’ve been granted a permit only to bus in brawlers to crack skulls,

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados That still doesn't mean that they forfeit all right forever to gather.

I'm not trying to make a personal case out of this - I don't care for them myself. I'm just telling you that first amendment case law is pretty clear on the point.

If you want to change this, you can have everything you want. All you need to do is one thing: repeal the first amendment.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan forever? repeal the first amendment? are you serious?

patriot prayer is a hate group. they should be held responsible for the violence they inflict and barred from inflicting more.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados Hatred is not a disqualifier for assembling under the first amendment, nor for free expression of views.

If you want to hold them responsible, go there with cameras and legal observers. A priori blocking them runs headlong into the first amendment.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan we’ve been there with cameras and legal observers literally every time they come to our town! they bring guns and bash skulls and there is video of it, of every time they have invaded our city. these aren’t peaceful groups and these aren’t peaceful actions.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados OK, so the responsible parties were identified, arrested and incarcerated, right? The permit stipulated conditions relating to prior offenders and so on, right?

If not, then you may have a case to bring to a court for an injunction, based on the public safety argument. But if there are stipulations regarding these matters in the permit, then what's the problem?

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ you do not understand. these are folks who organize to crack skulls Every Single Time. it’s not some isolated individuals. it is a pattern of organized behavior.

you say this isn’t personal but you are notably invested in defending fash here 🤔

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados

OK, so you have a gang of violent criminals. You have a statement. You can prove it. (I assume, anyway.) If you can demonstrate that a violent assault is the specific purpose, then you should be able to get an injunction. That's what the process is for.

And I don't like violence from any corner. What I'm defending here is the rule of law. If you want to ban people from assembly in the USA, you need a good reason, or to drop the first amendment.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan I believe them about Portland bc we have antichoicers who regularly physically assault clinic escorts in Indiana and Kentucky, on video provided by legal observers, & I'm talking experienced escorts trained in non-engagement. In one case an elderly woman.

I'm puzzled as to why you would think this is enough to get them arrested and charged. Certainly not STOPPED. Your expectations are out of step with reality & aren't as good as expertise.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan This kind of thing from you is really disappointing given our first conversation and I didn't think you'd be this boring and pedestrian.

Please check your expectations against what is actually working before demanding people doing the work meet your expectations.

This is just super disheartening and I can get this kind of remedial 095 level discussion anywhere. Muted.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan @garbados The problem is fascists are organizing in my town. I feel unsafe leaving my apartment. Why are you defending fascists? Are you a fascist?

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan @tibius you have reflected a profound misunderstanding of fascism and the reality of fighting it. i am not going to cut a path through the law. we are going to defend our city from nazis.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan @garbados Ah. Free speech. I see.

You are a fascist and should be shunned by all, especially in your place of employment.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@tibius @garbados

I am an artist.

I stand by freedom of speech. It is my bread and my butter.

If that makes me a fascist in your eyes? So be it. I'll take the calumny with pride.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan @garbados Excellent. I will spread the word that you are a fascist then.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@tibius @garbados

I think that the ACLU might be a little surprised to learn that they're fascists, too, but you know? Live and learn.

banning fash 

@tibius motion seconded. @jankoekepan blocked as fascist / sympathizer.

banning fash 

@garbados @jankoekepan So, I know how to block her on my account. Can I block her on my instance as well?

banning fash 

@garbados @jankoekepan Maybe I figured it out. I did a Perform Full Suspention on her.

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@jankoekepan
@garbados
This would be nice if true. I was illegally detained on June 4th 2017 and nothing has happened

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados
aye, same shit different day in boston. theyll give permit for hate speech + city protection, but when any progressive movement attempts to obtain the same permit its fking denied.. da fuck?

pdxpol // fash in my town today 

@garbados they didnt get a permit..
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