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tech-ctte was cc'd on this bug today and I am very curious if we will be asked to make a decision on it 👀 bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrep

LWN did a great write-up on this bug: lwn.net/Articles/835599/

I'd add that you can see the ctte's discussion on the topic thus far in our public minutes (including my hot takes): meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte

@ehashman I am interested in how the mindset of "system packages are an antipattern" will collide with people who are invested in system packages

@aurynn if a decision is referred to ctte I shall state my formal opinions for the record and hopefully they will be coherent and convincing

@ehashman I should not (and would not end up on) ctte 🙂

@aurynn (but really this is about Debian not keeping up with modern ecosystem practices, so I would not mind trying to steer the ship on that)

@ehashman kinda sucks when debian prefers to go one way and go-the-ecosystem desperately pulls the other

@ehashman I am extremely glad I do not have to disentangle that.

@ehashman "Sabotage" is a serious accusation to throw at a fellow DD. I understand that there are limits of how far Code of Conduct #2 (assume good faith) can go, but has Dmitry really crossed that limit? The bug looks like a legitimate technical objection worthy of further discussion and, if the discussion in debian-devel can't be brought to a consensus, of an escalation to ctte.

@ehashman every argument you made was voicing a different tiny complaint I've felt. I read through that chat log cheering you on.

This one really stuck out to me as a user:

> most of these applications have basically given up on OS packaging, they either provide their own debs via a PPA or generally say "do not install using a distro package manager ever"

It sucks when they do that. Thank you for fighting this fight!

@mikeburns generally I think sentiment from the ctte is that overruling the maintainer wouldn't make sense for a multitude of reasons, but not everyone was able to attend the last meeting so I must wait until we reach an official consensus :)

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