Ah yes, my options are to destroy the planet conforming to the 2y upgrade cycle or sacrifice my personal security by running an unsupported phone, what a great choice

You know, maybe if my phone manufacturer would actually provide patches for more than 2 years this would be feasible

@ehashman There is always buying the very newest iPhone within a month of its launch and running it for 5 years, which is a strategy that will get you security updates for the duration, but towards the end of that, compatibility may start to become an issue (being stuck on an old OS release that still gets security fixes, but apps don't target it any more), and performance will have been an issue for about three years.

Unfortunately, no such strategy exists for Android, and many Android devices are about two years behind iOS devices in performance (so a three year old Pixel that just went out of security patch support performs like a five year old iPhone anyway).

I also wonder how much of the emissions are the battery - the $29 or $49 battery replacement still has the same emissions as the new phone's battery assuming the same production methods and capacity.

With Android One you get the 5 year support. 2 years of feature upgrades plus 3 years security updates. Still, this is only half of the 10 years...


@nubesik @ehashman The other strategy - keeping in mind that you actually have Android or KaiOS underneath, and therefore nasty security vulns (complete with even less patching), but the attack surface may be smaller - is to pair a LTE feature phone with tethering capability with an x86 tablet or laptop.

You might actually get a decade out of the phone before it gets kicked off the network for using a connectivity standard that's being decommissioned, the limited feature set may sufficiently reduce the attack surface (especially if you use a VPN with the x86 device, so the phone can't snoop on traffic), and the x86 device will get updates to be usable that long one way or another.

@ehashman I've never been able to get hardware to last that long in the first place, by a year and a half my battery's usually unusable :/

@tseivara I have paid for battery replacements (significantly cheaper than a new phone)

@ehashman tbh I didn't realize that was a thing you could do anymore
I assumed that died with removable batteries

@tseivara oh yeah, I think almost all manufacturers will let you ship in your phone for a battery replacement (or you can find a local place to do it cheaper)

@ehashman Or don't have a smartphone... also a pretty shit option.

@ehashman You might be interested in the Fairphone if you're looking for a phone with a much longer lifecycle.

@ehashman @bhtooefr They're comparing the energy use of a phone to the energy use of a phone, and giving the relative energy use of all of tech without looking at the benefit we derive from tech, not the energy use of the alternatives to tech (whatever those are - the equivalent of a smartphone is what, libraries full of books and thousands of miles of driving?). What we really need to know is the fraction of our own ecological footprint we can save by changing behavior.

@bhtooefr @ehashman FWIW I only buy used phones and keep them until it's uneconomic to repair them or they're EoLed. Using an EoLed phone is a recipe for disaster.

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