just read an apartment therapy before/after article about a kitchen renovation and the person said they got rid of their dishwasher because they don't have many dishes to clean (fine) and that it seems like a water waster (completely wrong!!!) and I screamed internally. hand washing uses much more water!!!

@dthompson I remember being shocked to find out just how much more efficient modern day dishwashers are at water use than hand washing. Did not expect it.

@cwebber @dthompson I'm likewise surprised by this

is water used in pre-rinsing included?

@joeyh @dthompson pre-rinsing by the machine or pre-rinsing by the person loading them into the dishwasher?

Yes to the former, dunno by the latter.

@cwebber @dthompson I mean the latter, every time I've used someone's dishwasher they've remanded I pre-wash (I think it's nonsense, but it seems common)

@joeyh @cwebber yeah pre-rinsing is a controversial subject. my dishwasher instructions say to scrape off the dishes but not to pre-rinse. I will pre-rinse if anything is really stuck on there, like egg, that I know won't come off.

@dthompson @joeyh @wobblysaeeda on a mild tangent, look at this delightful ad for this hand-cranked (and apparently not very well working) mechanical dishwasher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher#/media/File:The_Faultless_Quaker_Dishwasher_(1896_advertisement).jpg