VeepDeboop thread 

In which we disgust, er, discuss, the deboop. Or possibly debate.

Follow-ups will be unlisted.

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Q1: Covid

Harris: "Greatest failure" of any presidential administration.

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Pence is keeping his yaphole shut.

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Pence desperately trying to demonstrate not all GOP pols demonically possessed.

Plagiarism dig.

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Harris: Whatever the VP is claiming they've done clearly hasn't worked.

Asserts her time.

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Q: (to Pence) Rose Gardden superspreader event. Why should Americans put faith in WH when it won't follow its own advice.

Pence: An opening on the SC came on us.

Susaan (moderator) can't handle Pence.

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Harris: You respect the American people by telling them the truth.

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Pence gets first laugh line; "Stop playing politics with people's lives". The hypocrisy cup overfloweth.

Pulls the Swine Flu card.

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Harris's facial expressions --- utterly incredulous during preceeding.

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Did Pence just say “stop playing politics with people’s lives?” Millions of Americans choke on whatever they’re eating. Irony has no place on a VP debate stage.

-- Dan Rather
nitter.net/DanRather/status/13

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Pence has always represented an alternate universe in discussing the coronavirus – both in terms of sounding compassionate and as if he understands the seriousness of it, but also in toeing the Trump line that the response has been great.

-- Maggie Haberman, NYT

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Q: Transparency

Pence: "Businessman, "job creator" (or was that "job crater"?). Avoids question.

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Q: Economy, jobs crisis, rising unemployment, blacks, latinos, women most affected.. Would raising taxes put recovery at risk

Harris; Starkest difference between campaigns; Biden worries about the poorest, Trump on how the wealthiest are doing.

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Harris: There was a time when this country believed in science.

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Q to Pence: risk of prolonged recession?

Pence answers question he wished had been asked instead.

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Harris is implicitly predicting a Dem Senate.

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Pence now interrupting Harris and running over her time.

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Harris: A debate based on truth and facts.

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Harris looks far more comfortable when Pence talks than Pence does when Harris is.

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Pence says “the climate is changing” but the issue is “what’s the cause.” Nope, that’s not the issue. There is no dispute among climate scientists that human activity is the leading cause of climate change.

-- Trip Gabriel, NYT

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Harris, repeatedly: Joe Biden does not support a ban on fracking

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Green New Deal being discussed...

Pence lying again about science.

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Pence avoids saying whether climate change is an existential threat. (NYT)

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Pence still blaming China for COVID-19

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Harris: There's a wierd obsession in the Trump admin of dismantelling anything created by Obama & Biden..

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Harris just smashed Pence into a bloody pulp and swept the stage with what was left over the areas of national intelligence, foreign relations, defence, the military, and veterans.

And Pence is seriously shook by this. It's a massive GOP weakness and he knows it.

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Pence is soft-peddeling abortion. The classic wedge issue seems now to be a vulnerability --- it will mobilize Dems more than GOP.

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Harris schools Pence on SCOTUS nomination history.

"I'm trying to answer you now."

Pence is filibustering her responce.

"I sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee'. Let's talk packing the ccourt.

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Harris loves the joyful drag. “I’m speaking” + the smile.

-- Astead Herndon | NYT

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Pence: There's no excuse for what happened to George Floyd, but there's no excuse for the rioting and looting that followed.

One out of two ... ain't nearly good enough.

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Harris: I won't sit here on this stage adletred y the Vice Pesident of the United States what it mens to prosecute crimes.

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Harris cuts to bone on Trump's white nationalist and neonazi eanings. And Pence again is shook.

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BTW, Harris called for expungement of marijuana possession convictions.

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How could a debate that was broadcast in full be “selectively edited” by the media?

-- Lisa Lerer | NYT

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Q: Election integrity

Harris: we believe in integrity. Vote! If we u our voice we will win.

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Harris: Trump openly committed to disrupt the vote.

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Q: To Pence, what will you do if Trump does not resspect the vote.

Pence: Refuses to answer question. "We will win", and reitigates 2016, lying about it.

"Tried to impeach' --- no, they DID immpeach GOP Senate refused to hear witnesses or vote to convict.

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Why is it that Mike Pence doesn’t seem to have to answer any of the questions asked of him in this debate?

-- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
nitter.net/AOC/status/13140244

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And that's an official wrap.

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No committment on accepting a peaceful transfer of power from either the GOP presidential or VP candidates.

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As for the fly, you know what they're attracted to.

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This debate felt like it took place in America Two, the country we might be living under if Donald Trump had not won four years ago. It was relatively civil, issue-focused, a little boring … and probably irrelevant to the remaining course of a gyrating, no-holds-barred election that because of Trump’s persona and leadership feels to many like the most crucial of their lives.

-- Trip Gabriel, NYT

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Harris's biggest evasion as with Biden's: Court Packing.

Prediction: A Dem administration, backed by a Congressional sweep, will see very much deserved reform of the Federal Judiciary. The Dems won't tip their hand as to specifics, but there is a plan.

(Or, more likely, multiple competing ones.)

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Thinking back over this: Pence has not been espeecially visible on the national stage, and
had the opportunitty to show that there is someone principled, honest, fact-based, science respecting, fundamentally conservative in a traditional sense, believing in and upholding principles of US Democracy and the Constitution.

A message that might resonate with traditional (non-Trumpist) Republicans, as well as independents and even swing-vvoting Democrats. Signs that there is in fact an adult im the room.

He failed in this entirely.

That might play to the Trump base. It repells all others.

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