Haiku is the FOSS continuation of BeOS, which was a desktop OS back in early 2000s for BeBox machines. Haiku has the same desktop focus, and AFAIK is a continuation of the same codebase. It also has some nice Unixiness built in, and IIRC a decent POSIX layer. The language of choice is C++.

RedoxOS is a recent Unixy OS written from scratch in Rust and as a microkernel, and it too has desktop as an integral part.

Mezzano is an OS fully implemented in Common Lisp and is inspired by Lisp machines: everything lives in a lisp image and you can touch everything.

Linux is a good base for a decent desktop OS, so are the BSDs in most cases, but I think we really need a single-user focused, desktop-first/only, hackable and fast OS, where you don't need to e.g. deal with systemd to set up user daemons, or 10-20-30 other config languages to set up your apps the way you want them. I really long for an OS that has live configurability built in.

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@cadadr@toot.cat haiku is not a continuation of the same codebase! that would be a serious problem since the original codebase is proprietary software currently owned by ACCESS Co. Ltd.

@cadadr Ooh! Mezzano is new to me! Very interesting! Thanks!

@cadadr I ran the original BeOS (sadly did not own an actual Bebox).

I believe Haiku is not based on BeOS code, which is proprietary, but instead tries to be ABI compatible so that Be apps will run on the new OS.

@tomosaigon Yeah, that's seems to be right, as per the replies of @nawordar and @linear also. I had watched a talk by.. I guess the CEO of Be company that is also involved with Haiku, and I thought he said some code was shared, or maybe he said some original folks from BeOS are involved. But it's been a long while since I watched that, and apparently I've confounded something there. Sorry about that.

@cadadr No worries. It was actually awhile ago and the ending of Be was a bit murky. It's a real shame Apple didn't acquire them. Perhaps it could have been the base for iOS.

@cadadr I've been using haiku as a daily driver for a couple weeks now. I highly recommend it

@cadadr
I tried haiku but it needs some high dosage minimalism but it has the best utilities i have ever saw.

@dukeofpearldiving It's nice to see folks playing around with TempleOS. The whole story around it is sad, but still I think it's an important part of computing history / folklore.

@cadadr is there a good summary of what exactly did happen?

mh -, homelessness, death 

@meena This is pretty good youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5J but it's long.

The tl;dw is he had some mental health issues, IIRC mainly schizophrenia. If I'm not mistaken he had a job as well early on but lost it, then he lived with his parents and became more and more reclusive, and in the mean time his mental health deteriorated. He started writing TempleOS sometime in that process, and he was becoming popular online, doing streams on youtube, live coding, or just talking etc. As his health deteriorated he became more and more offensive, started saying slurs etc., and became a meme of sorts. The internet folk pranked and hurt him as well. Eventually he became homeless and some time after that lost his life.

The vid I linked is nice, tho sadly I didn't really retain it coherently, so my summary may be inaccurate. That channel has some pretty cool internet folklore vids btw. Frigthening how hurtful internet communities can be.

the Internet is a viscous mirror 

@cadadr schizophrenia is a viscous disease
but holy shit the Internet can be just as viscous.

my partner follows a bunch of schizophrenic folks on TikTok and we have learned that for them, Internet connected camera phones have been a blessing: they can record a potential hallucination, and ask people: do you see what i see?

but of course, there's always some asshole in there, who thinks it'd be funny to lie to them.

and that's the same problem that apps for blind people, like BeMyEyes, have to deal with.

and honestly, this caring about other people and living beings you don't know, have never met or seen, this is the problem we need to solve if we want to save this planet and the people and other beings living on it.

re: the Internet is a viscous mirror 

@meena wow, that's a very wholesome thing.

weird thing is internet amplifies the good and the bad in us, but it amplifies the bad way more. it has this way of enabling cruelty, and judging from weird shit people do to other people just to video it and upload somewhere, I think it's not merely the physical distance from the victim at play. idk, maybe it was just too much more at once than the human species could handle.

P.S: did you mean "vicious" when you wrote "viscous"? I'm not sure if it's a typo or if the word has a meaning I don't know

re: the Internet is a viscous mirror 

@cadadr that is a typo indeed i just looked up and viscous means, indeed what i think it means (something having (high) viscosity)

perhaps the Internet isn't just vicious, but also viscous? In that it's slow to adapt to certain things, but can still spread certain things (sound, electricity) very quickly?

@meena @cadadr toxic is an apt word but vicious will do fine for a large swathe of the sewage that has floated to the surface

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