You want to know the value of Mastodon over Insta? Posted this on Instagram to the 15k followers I have there, properly tagged. 29 likes, no comments.
Masto? *So* much engagement. So much fun discussion. So much more community.
Numbers don't mean squat if you don't have the follow through. I've never sold a single piece of art through Insta. People on Insta like passively browsing through images and tapping the heart. For an artist, it's a useless audience.
Further, I have a colouring book published through Barnes & Noble and a big art licensing firm in the US that represents me. Neither of these found me through FB, Insta, or Twitter. The only people who reach out to me with 'business opportunities' on Insta are accounts entirely unrelated to mine offering me 'influencer opportunities'.
Meanwhile, people here don't just buy art that I post for sale, they ask if they can buy art I haven't even listed. "Supportive" is an understatement.
@welshpixie yes! omg this is so true. I never feel like I'm posting into the void here. People talk to each other and help each other and treat each other like people rather than content factories.
I try to commission art from other fediverse users when I can and I've been so happy with the results.
And as a writer, my crowdfunding has been funded and my books have sold almost entirely on the strength of my friends and community here.
@vicorva and if they really feel like they need to cross-post, they should do it the other way around.
Seeing posts that adopt Twitter's post length and lack of content warnings is what frustrates me the most about cross-posting. Lack of image descriptions too, but since Twitter actual supports them nowadays, that's more a cultural thing than a technical limitation.
(Invalid at-mentions because they try to mention a Twitter account as if it were a local account are also somewhere on that list...)
(If one just wants people to read what one writes, without wanting to interact, one should just start a blog with RSS feeds instead.)
@FiXato @vicorva @welshpixie for me the main annoyance of twitter crossposts is that they inject things here without context and you can't really interact with them — if you reply, the crossposter may never know you've said something to them, and that's just rude. fediverse is geared towards meaningful interactions, and treating it as a one-way dumpyard is nothing but rude.
@FiXato @vicorva @welshpixie most of us that cross post from Twitter, check here more than Twitter. It makes it easier to check notifications here, then logging on to Twitter. As for the other points, that is entirely valid, but to say that everybody just cross post without checking the notifications here is absurd. It could also be possible that I am the exception to the rule. When I cross post from Twitter, it makes it far easier to check notifications here, then logging on to Twitter, which I would think is what you would want, to make it easier to logon here and not logon to Twitter? Also, you have to understand that the new people coming from Twitter don’t know the etiquette yet. if this is passive aggressive anger at new people coming into your very insular platform, then just come out and say that you don’t want mastodon to be widely adopted. This passive aggressive anger is not necessary when it would be far easier to just say that you don’t want people to migrate from here to Twitter in their own way, you want them to migrate your way and your way only and completely assimilate into the community without having a few growing pains. I would also strongly suggest that you move to a smaller instance that blocks these larger instances so you don’t have to see the Twitter refugees
@weirdwriter @FiXato @welshpixie I can't speak for FiXato but I didn't take it that way. There is a very common phenomenon of people using Mastodon as an extension of their twitter platform and not really engaging or responding here, which is what I took this as referring to.
Additionally, I don't think it's unreasonable to say 'I don't like this' or 'I wish people did things this way'.
I do however recognise that you are completely right that not everyone who cross-posts from twitter is using mastodon in the way described, perhaps not even the majority of users. I have no numbers and couldn't say either way.
@vicorva @weirdwriter @FiXato My personal experience - whenever I've tried to engage with people who cross-post, I get nothing. Looking at their mentions, there's no conversation going on. A lot of people create an account here, set up cross posting, maybe follow some relevant people, then just leave it. Obviously this isn't a 100% use case, but that's very largely been my experience of it. If you're an exception, then great, more people like you please :)
I have certainly seen the phenomenon of "person gets fedi account, sets up a crossposter, forgets fedi exists". For years, I didn't cross-post because of that.
But I've seen more accounts who are active on both and respond to both. I decided to start cross-posting after seeing how well people like V handled it. 😊
Mine goes both ways. If I'm writing a long thread, I often do it on Twitter because Twitter is a bit better at threading. But mostly I start on Fedi.
Long reply about Twitter Crossposting.
@vicorva @FiXato @welshpixie Gotcha! I think it is possible that I am just not seeing this phenomenon because my instance blocks the larger ones like Mastodon online and such, which makes for a much more pleasant user experience. I'm not seeing these accounts, which is why I actually advocate for others to join smaller communities. When I did see these kinds of things on my old account, I just chawked it up to Twitter peeps finding their footing here, and, eventually, they will stop crossposting, move to a smaller instance, start using CW's more, in due time. I consider new Twitter crossposters to be getting a layout of the land, so to speak, but I am also aware that I don't get flooded with these kinds of accounts. I'm fixing to enable the crossposter myself for like a month or so, but that's for a very different reason. Just curious, is it brand ish types, like influencers, or just every day people?
Long reply about Twitter Crossposting.
I think the worst type of crossposter for me personally is the ones that have RTs and Quote RTs.
But other than that, I don't care which platform you post on first. As long as you respond when we respond, which you do.
It's easy to feel attacked by generalizations. But it's also easier simplifying things, than to always write the most elaborate post.
See my recent post about image descriptions, someone took that way too personally, reading into things that I didn't say, telling me I said them.
I'm always patient with people who are new here, if they are open to reading the room and learning. Sometimes it takes time to get used to things.
Also there are different cultures _on here_ as well. So some people may just end up hanging in other circles, and that's okay too.
@FiXato @vicorva @welshpixie Ah yeah. I'm used to the Fedi being super duper passive aggressive, subtooting rather than actually talking to someone directly. I'd need to log back into my old account, because I'm not seeing this trend often. For me, I spot it like once every few months or so. Now, what I wish someone would make, is a Twitter migration tool. Like, the ability to look and see who is on Mastodon from my Twitter lists.
On the internet, everyone knows you're a cat — and that's totally okay.